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Yoda
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Aug 2003 08h08    Post subject: PSIRA Reply with quote

If you're involved in security in SA in ANY way shape or form, the Private Security Industry Regulatory Authority requires that you fork out five grand and register with them OR ELSE!

What do you think of this?


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PostPosted: Sun 10 Aug 2003 19h30    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sux big time. Al-Capone kinda stuff.

Theres always someone with some rule likle either they'll beat you and burn your shop or lock you up or execute you etc. etc. etc.

What does 'any form' in this case mean - could it apply to a network security consultant?



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PostPosted: Sun 10 Aug 2003 20h00    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peer wrote:
What does 'any form' in this case mean - could it apply to a network security consultant?

That's a very good question! I had thought the act applied only to more traditional forms of security such as guarding, alarm systems, CCTV, investigators, locksmiths and so on but it may very well be that our illustrious government may try and apply it to network security too. I'll see what I can find out.


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PostPosted: Mon 11 Aug 2003 08h19    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to be a security technician, and registering to the Security Board was a very painful and expensive ordeal for me. In IT, I'm much happier and I don't need to register.

If I should, I'm getting out of network security, it's too much of a hassle to get registered.



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PostPosted: Mon 11 Aug 2003 11h34    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scrooloose wrote:
I used to be a security technician, and registering to the Security Board was a very painful and expensive ordeal for me. In IT, I'm much happier and I don't need to register.

How long ago was that? The laws have just recently changed and have become hugely more onerous. You made a very smart move getting out of the security industry for that reason.

These days even small one-man shows have to fork out R 5000 just for the privilege of registering, not to mention the ongoing monthly fees, annual renewal fees, and the rest. The initial process of registering a business is quite mind-boggling. The amount of documentation they demand you fill in is enough to choke a mule.

If you are merely an employee of security company it's not too bad, although they do want to know your whole life history, take fingerprints get personal surety signed etc.

It's totally insane and is going to drive many legitimate small businesses right out of business while not doing anything positive for anybody in the process. Typical of government bureaucracy.


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PostPosted: Mon 11 Aug 2003 13h40    Post subject: Reply with quote

while we are on the topic, are there any S.A. based companies which specialise in network security auditing etc? similar to www.defcom.com

I.e. Penetration testing (no, not on your wife)
network auditing
vulnerability testing
website auditing etc etc


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PostPosted: Mon 11 Aug 2003 23h42    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bureaucracy demands that the regional services council - as far as I know all they do is really drive Pajeros around get a percentage(less than a percent but still a pain) of my income 'cos I provide service.

It's tough but Vot Ze Hell - ypou just gotta go for it & handle the crap.



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PostPosted: Tue 12 Aug 2003 09h56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Werner wrote:
while we are on the topic, are there any S.A. based companies which specialise in network security auditing etc? similar to www.defcom.com

I.e. Penetration testing (no, not on your wife)
network auditing
vulnerability testing
website auditing etc etc


At my previous company we have to do those tests every 6 months, and they allways use PricewaterhouseCoopers. They have used some other company recently when they moved their hosting internally (instead of being hosted with IS) but I don't know who.



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PostPosted: Tue 12 Aug 2003 10h07    Post subject: Reply with quote

deja vu! that's where Steven Dauberman works....


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PostPosted: Fri 31 Aug 2007 12h29    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Guys I'm new here.
I was googling Psira as I'm thinking about starting a security company & up popped this site.
To start a security company costs you almost R5000-00 just to register with Psira.
Before that you have got to register as a as a company
Duly completed individual applications for registration as security service providers, accompanied by all the required supporting documentation,
in respect of all directors/members/partners/trustees/administrators and persons performing executive or managing functions of the applicant
security business, as the case may be, if they are not already registered as security service providers;
3. An authenticated copy of the CK1 and CK2 documentation if the applicant is a close corporation;
4. An authenticated copy of the CM1, CM2, CM27, CM29 and CM31 documentation if the applicant is a company;
5. A list, certified as correct by the duly appointed auditor of the applicant, if the applicant is a company which is not listed publicly with the names,
identity numbers and street addresses of all shareholders of the applicant as at the date when the application for registration is made, or such
certified particulars of all shareholders of the applicant who own or control 5% or more of the total shareholding of the applicant if the applicant
is a publicly listed company;
6. An authenticated copy of the partnership agreement if the applicant is a partnership;
7. An authenticated copy of the trust deed and authorization from the Master of the High Court to the trustees if the applicant is a trust;
8. An authenticated copy of the documentation establishing the foundation if the applicant is a foundation;
9. An authenticated copy of the documentation or authority in terms of which the applicant is established or functions if it is a body or entity other
than a company, close corporation, partnership, trust or foundation.
10. A tax clearance certificate from the South African Revenue Service, unless the director dispenses with this requirement for a sound reason; and
11. A declaration and substantiation to the Authority in such format as may be prescribed by the Authority regarding the applicant’s infrastructure
and capacity to render a security service (Business Plan).
12. A list of branch offices operated by the applicant specifying region, business address, telephone number, facsimile number and the name of the
person in control of that branch office.
13. Particulars of firearms licenses and permits issued to the applicant security service provider.
14. A resolution in such format as may be prescribed by the Authority passed at a duly constituted meeting of the owners/directors/members/
trustees/partners of the applicant authorizing the owner/director/member/partner/trustee signing this application to do so.
15. Suretyship/guarantee undertaking in the prescribed format (SIRA-4).

And that is only the start of your headache


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PostPosted: Mon 05 May 2008 16h05    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like some comments re PSIRA - as I find them useless and un accomodating. Is there anyone that is having the same problem.



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